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In time we shall see.
It is now that YOU have a kick at the proverbial can... do it.
We shall see if you are right, I am undecided about what is really hapening out there in the 'real' world... Mostly because I get my news from the same source as everybody else.... And everybody's take on this seems different.

I still have to pay huge amounts of money for groceries, the quality of the food products have diminished in the past ten years (or my toungue has gotten older and Strawberries do not taste as delicious today as I remember them).

The angry left is angry because social programs are being cut, the elderly cannot afford to pay for life-sustaining medications under the new Medicare program, our deficit is growing, the national debt is the highest it has ever been, social security will be gone before most of us get old enough to retire, minimum wage is still at $5.15 an hour (maybe you teenagers living at home with mom and dad think a person can support him/herself on $206 a week, but it doesn't work in the real world), the rich keep getting tax breaks while the dwindling middle class picks up the slack, gas prices continue to rise while Big Oil's (read: Exxon) profits hit all-time highs, the government is eavesdropping and keeping records of our phone calls---do I really need to go on?

We entered into this war on false pretenses. First we're told that we had to go in because of WMD, and when none could be found, we were told that we needed to "spread democracy." What's democratic about forcing democracy down another country's throats? Now we're there to "stabilize" the Middle east. We're sending our children over there to die for oil, and that's the truth. Soon, the government will bring back the draft, mark my words. Then we will send our 18 year old children over there against their will to risk their lives and to die---for what? We're supposedly fighting "over there" so we don't have to fight "over here." Uh-huh. Keeping it in Iraq? I don't think so. Witness the attacks in Madrid and London. And while our government crows about uncovering "terror plots" in this country, all that is really happening is that they're busting up groups of angry, poor men of color who are doing nothing more than talking and daydreaming.
The Middle East has always been "unstable", and it always will be. All the US has done is to make it worse---for them, and for us---mostly us.

Mr. Smart Guy Says...
Please! Saddam had WMD's. Everyone acknowledged it including the left and the right. Should you doubt it ask the Kurds since they were on the receiving end of some of the non existent WMD's.
Also, don't forget 911 and do not preach to me that Iraq was not about 911. Yes we are at war! No this is not like any other war! The enemy we are fighting is on many fronts, including our own country. However, 911 and Iraq have NOTHING to do with the current state of affairs in Israel.

Saying that Iraq and 911 have nothing to do with the current state of affairs is, I think, very incorrect. Those two events had a huge impact on the mindset of terrorists and everybody in the Middle-East. I very much doubt that this scenario of Israel vs. Hezbollah would have happened without 911 and Iraq.

I would also have to agree that the war in Iraq was at least nonsensical. Afghanistan was a major home base for terrorists, but Iraq, while it does have terrorist organizations, was not as much as a threat, and did not warrant the force employed against it. I think that President Bush believed that there were WMDs in Iraq, but it was apparent that there were none, they switched the reason why they went.

I also think the notion of going to war for oil is ridiculous and very wrong. First of all, we have plenty of oil in reserves. Why would a president start a war for oil, if we don't have a shortage, and with the knowledge that such a war would be incredibly unpopular? And don't say, "Because he's stupid", because that is an immature and baseless retort. There were more people involved in deciding whether to go to war than just one person.

The "blood for oil" thing is just stupid and cynical. I believe that people enjoy being cynical and think the worst of things to a certain extent, and that this is an example of it. If anyone still thinks that the war was started for oil, then support your beliefs. When did they ship the oil to the U.S.? How did they do it? So far, I have heard no answers to these questions. "Blood for oil" is just cynical speculation, and nothing more.

If it is not for money and not for oil and not for upholding some notion of freedom that is apparently not welcomed there why is ut we are there?
Crusade?

I believe that they really thought that there were WMDS there, and when it became apparent that there weren't any, they emphasized a lesser goal of the war: to bring freedom to Iraq. Despite what people say about democracy being shoved down peoples throats, when people are under a dictatorship, many people suffer, both the guilty and innocent. However, I do not think it was worth it to go to war for this reason, as there are many dictatorships in the world.

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Now there are at least a hundred being killed per day in bomb attacks etc.
We do not have a democracy here or elsewhere like that, and any dictatorship that does things like that today would not last very long... So If it is not what the left claims it to have been all along what is there left for it to be?

A huge mistake. Maybe they wanted to declare war before Saddam was ready with the WMDs they thought he had. Also, the left as a whole doesn't think one thing about the other. They think its a mistake, but not all the issues are agreed upon. All I know is that those who claim the U.S. declared war on Iraq for oil (at the price of American lives) have no evidence to support this. I'll believe the hype when I see actual proof, and not just theories.

Mm, and I think that blah di blah di blah blah blag ...

Well I do agree with you. I am not sure how much evidence could be had though, now or in the future.
The problem of the 'rich getting richer and the poor...' [...staying poor to be sure, but not getting the same opportunities as years before to be able to get out of being poor!] still goes on and I suppose those of us who see a problem with 72$ per barrell of crude oil are not amongst those who are directly benefitting from those prices.
the Mid-East problems in Iraq, Israel and Lebonan are blamed(?) for the price of oil so I can see why a lot of people would resent the US government for not (or for) doing things the right way over there or in regards of events over there.... (Man talk about sitting on the fence politically here EH?)

On a more sober side
Since the start of the war, 2,565 U.S. troops have died in Iraq. Seven Department of Defense civilian employees have also died in Iraq.
That is 2572 families (at least) that have been affected by this huge mistake. We have committed ourselves to something that we had no idea would cause this much heartache for us.
To be sure there will a political fallout from this, and I am not worried about the US internationally.
We needa solution and we need a solution soon.

On a more sober side
Since the start of the war, 2,565 U.S. troops have died in Iraq. Seven Department of Defense civilian employees have also died in Iraq.
That is 2572 families (at least) that have been affected by this huge mistake. We have committed ourselves to something that we had no idea would cause this much heartache for us.
To be sure there will a political fallout from this, and I am not worried about the US internationally.
We need a solution and we need a solution soon.

I agree ... Blah blah blah Iraq blah blah yak yak yak Iraq yak yak

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Poster -

I agree with you. Our nation needs to come together as we did during WWII. The parallels between Islamo-Fascism and Nazi Germany are downright frightening. Does anyone else realize that if we came together as a nation, maybe things will get better for the middle-class - as in WWII?

Yes
What theme shall we use?

What shall be our excuse to get together and effect a change?
The environment?
The Middle-East?
The Immigration Issue?
Who do we not want to be part of this world ...upon whom we blame most of our collective problems on? Do we need a 'boogey-man/woman' in order to get off our asses like we did during the WWII?

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